October 4, 2005 AD
The following is the
original text of an interview with Bishop Richard Williamson, one
of the bishops of the Society of St. Pius X, as it appears here: http://www.angelqueen.org/articles/05-10_bp_williamson.shtml
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INTERVIEW WITH BISHOP
RICHARD WILLIAMSON, SSPX
There have recently been 2 letters said to be written by you, send
out via the Yahoo! Tradlist (website). There has been
some speculation that these may have not been authentic. Would you
care to settle the matter?
The two letters, called Thoughts for August and Thoughts
for September were written by Bishop Williamson, He says so!
Yahoo! Tradlist is presented by the owner as a service with no official
ties to the SSPX that is often used by Society clergy and episcopates
as vehicle for online communication. It is said that your communications
through it may become more regular. Should correspondence through
Tradlist stated as authored by you be taken as such?
Until further notice, Thoughts for any month, published
by Tradlist, will also come from Bishop Williamson.
have wondered why if you feel the need to communicate broadly, you
would use an unofficial avenue such as Tradlist as opposed to a Society
asset such as DICI or SSPX.org. Can you shed any light on this?
An official Society asset such as DICI or sspx.org may reach a
particular public. A different asset may reach a different public.
Our Lord would like his bishops and priests to reach everybody.
has been much News about the meeting between the SSPX bishops and
the pope. When the Society makes important decisions, for example
on how to respond to a deal - if any - offered by the
Curia, how are decisions reached? Is this done by a majority vote
by all of the bishops or is there some other protocol in place?
The Society of St. Pius X is governed by the General Council which
consists of the Superior General and his two Assistants, presently
Bishop Fellay, Fr. Schmidberger and Bishop de Galarreta. This General
Council takes all current decisions concerning the running of the
Society. Once a year, in June, the other two bishops attend the meeting
of the General Council. However, Bishop Fellay has said that if there
were serious question of, for instance, an important agreement with
Rome involving the whole Societys future, he would call a wide
meeting of Society Superiors for consultation and decision.
aside the debate in some circles as to whether the supposed latae
sentiae excommunications are binding or even valid, if they were lifted
no strings attached would you view this as a positive
If the present excommunication upon the Societys
four bishops, dating from 1988, were declared null or non-existent,
with genuinely no strings attached, that could
be a very positive development. Yet it should be borne in mind that
Providence may have had good reason to allow the Society and its bishops
to be marginalized. The marginalization may well have
served to protect the Society, and may still be doing so.
Rome were to declare that no permission was needed for the Tridentine
Mass to be offered, do you see any downside to such a situation?
If Rome liberated the Tridentine Mass so as to allow any Catholic
priest to say it, with no need to ask anybody for permission, there
would be a considerable upside. Grace, presently strangled by the
new rite of Mass, could start flowing again in large quantities all
over the Catholic world. Interesting. Can a
true Pope promulgate a rite of Mass that strangles grace? Can the
Catholic Church have such a Mass? What does this do to the Church's
indefectibility and infallibility? Can the Church no longer guarantee
that her sacraments are sure and undefiled fountains of grace? Or
does Bp. Williamson honestly mean to suggest that Paul VI never properly
promulgated the New Mass? This idea is refuted
here. In any case, when Bp. Williamson speaks
about the "Tridentine Mass," he means the
But there would
also be a downside the risk of some Catholics, presently enjoying
the Tridentine Mass embedded in the fullness of Catholic doctrine,
going over to attending the Tridentine rite surrounded by Conciliar
doctrine and practice, e.g. in centers of the Society of St. Peter.
It is as wise to accept half a bottle of wine in place of nothing,
as it is foolish to want half a bottle in place of a full bottle.
many more Catholics going to the liberated Tridentine rite would be
going from nothing to half a bottle than would be going from a full
bottle to half a bottle, then it can be safely said that the Catholic
Church as a whole would gain far more than it would lose from such
a liberation of the Tridentine rite of Mass.
chapels are largely self sufficient and in the green financially.
Is keeping control of SSPX property a non-negotiable point as far
as youre concerned?
The Society of St Pius X has an enormous responsibility to Catholics
all over the world who have generously supported it for the last 35
years. That responsibility would be betrayed by any action of the
Society permitting Society properties to fall under the control of
powers that would be set on frustrating the very purpose for which
those Catholics were so generous!
of the main causes for the falling out between John Paul II and Archbishop
Lefebvre was that the Archbishop wanted to ensure that the Society,
both then and in the future, would not come under the charge of bishops
who would undermine its purpose. Would any deal with Rome
be possible without the SSPX being assured that it will not be subject
now or in the future - to unfriendly or undesirable bishops?
In Romes present way of thinking and acting, Rome can only seek
for an agreement with the Society which would enable it to put an
end to the Societys resistance to what Rome has been doing and
has been waiting to do- ever since Vatican II, i.e. revolutionize
the Catholic religion, and make it over into quite a different religion.
As things stand now, for there to be an agreement, either
Rome neo-modernist Rome drops its neo-modernism, or
the Society betrays its Catholicism, or half and half, etc. We pray
to God that Rome may convert. We beg God that the Society may not
betray. So the Society of St. Pius X has the
Catholic Faith, but Rome does not. Read that again: Rome does not
have the Faith, Bp. Williamson says! But yet, Rome is the Holy See,
which cannot lose the Faith, which is, in fact, the bedrock of the
Faith and the principle of unity and orthodoxy. Have the promises
of Christ shifted from Rome to the SSPX? Or could it be that, since
it is manifest that Rome does not have the Faith, maybe this Rome
isn't occupied by Catholics? That is, could it be that the Holy See
is occupied by impostors who are not Catholics and so the Holy See
is in fact vacant? That Ratzinger is not the legitimate bishop
of Rome? Bp. Williamson cannot have it both ways: if Rome has lost
the faith, either the Catholic Church can defect or what we see in
Rome only appears to be the Holy See and is not occupied by legitimate
shepherds. But the Catholic Church cannot defect, for her indefectibility
is dogma. Therefore, the only alternative is that Rome's shepherds
you ever had any regrets that you became an ordained bishop in the
Society of Saint Pius X?
None. Spelt N-O-N-E.
who attend Society chapels and partake in the sacraments offered in
them may at times feel isolated from their fellow Catholics or have
a sense of being orphaned from the earthly Church at large.
Do you have any advice for them?
For Catholics to feel orphaned ever since at Vatican II
Mother Church began no longer behaving like their mother, is a most
normal feeling for Catholics. They would not be true children of Mother
Church if they did not feel orphaned since Vatican II.
This is akin to blasphemy, is it not? Holy Mother Church cannot
abandon her children! She cannot leave them orphans! Bp. Williamson
impugns the promises of Christ! If the Holy Catholic Church could
ever abandon her children, what good would she be? What good would
the promises of Christ be? Holy Mother Church must always and of necessity
behave like the Mother of all Catholics, for that is what she is--she
cannot change in her being; she cannot change her identity. The Spotless
Mother and Bride cannot become the Whore of Babylon!
However, let such
Catholics have patience, and courage.
Sooner or later,
Gods purpose in allowing these 40 years in the desert,
namely the cleansing of His Church, will be achieved, and then He
will restore both the true fatherhood of the Holy Father, and the
true motherhood of Mother Church. Until that time, pray faithfully
the Rosary. So the Catholic Church has lost,
or perhaps suspended, her Motherhood. Bp. Williamson will no doubt
look in vain in Catholic doctrine to find theological justification
for such an impious belief. The Blessed Mother at La Salette, instead,
warned us that the Catholic Church would be eclipsed--something
entirely different, and something entirely possible. A pseudo-church
has moved in front of the Catholic Church and eclipsed her. This is
the Vatican II church with its false "Catholic" bishops
and popes. More
information about this here.
Help of Christians,
pray for us.
Consoler of the
Afflicted, pray for us.
+ Richard Williamson